To better understand Lorenzo and Schweickert, their possible other crimes, and their MOs and victimology, Josh chats with clinical psychologist Dr. Scott (LA Not So Confidential) about killers who work in pairs, BDSM, Antisocial Personality Disorder, psychopathy, narcissism, and how homophobia made their ongoing crimes possible. Plus: The Warrior gene, behavioral drift, Kanye West, Anita Bryant, and more. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark Featuring: Dr. Scott from the <a href="https://www.la-not-so-confidential.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">LA Not So Confidential podcast</a> This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: <a href="https://www.bothand.fyi/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">bothand.fyi</a> For an ad-free experience: <a href="https://patreon.com/studiobothand" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">patreon.com/studiobothand</a> Music by: Color Book, Yehezkel Raz, Adi Goldstein, Infinity Lab, and Yotam Agam Featured music by: Perfume Genius

Unsafe Spaces | Oh, God

It started with the 2014 disappearance of an Upper Michigan man named Chris Regan. The two-year investigation into his disappearance would take authorities on a strange journey into a world of sex, drugs, pig farming, alleged cannibalism, and serial murder; all stemming from a wedding day pact between Kelly and Jason Cochran, that resulted in the murder of at least two men. Investigative reporter, Josh Hallmark, dives through thousands of case files and dozens of hours of interviews with Kelly to make sense of the breadth of her crimes and her often contradictory stories, in hopes of identifying her additional victims she's refused to name... if there even are any.This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyiFor an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand