The Optimist
The Optimist
Jake Hurwitz
The Hidden Cost of Heartbreak & Loneliness: How It Affects Your Mind, Body, and Life, with Naz Perez
1 hour 20 minutes Posted Mar 19, 2025 at 12:00 pm.
Introduction & Getting to Know Naz 14:38 The Loneliness Epidemic in America25:21 Heartbroken Anonymous Origin Story35:05 The Universal Experience of Pain41:42 How Men and Women Experience Heartbreak Differently51:00 "Open Heart vs. Closed Heart": Creating Vulnerability59:03 Dating Advice & Communication Between Men and Women1:05:42 Why Men Need Non-Judgmental Spaces1:15:20 Final Thoughts on Modern Masculinity
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This week, Jake welcomed Naz Perez, the first woman on his podcast, for a candid conversation about heartbreak, loneliness, and meaningful connections. As founder of Heartbroken Anonymous, Naz shares insights on why so many Americans feel disconnected despite being more "connected" than ever. They discuss the physical and emotional toll of heartbreak, how men and women process pain differently, and practical advice for creating safe spaces to be vulnerable.TIMESTAMPS: