Jacob reads two basketball poems from his award-winning work "Throwing The Crown". James asks how Tik Tok and the removal of media gatekeepers could lead to a prosperous future in prose. Scottie Pippen gets some love, the guys discuss the beginning of their friendship playing pickup basketball in Chicago, and James briefly plays guitar for this episode's novel intro music.

Jacob Saenz is the author of Throwing the Crown, winner of the 2018 APR/Honickman First Book Prize. His work has been anthologized in The Open Door: 100 Poems, 100 Years of Poetry Magazine and The BreakBeat Poets: New American Poetry in the Age of Hip-Hop.

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