Recorded live at the 2019 Mbird Tyler Conference, in which Sarah and Dave are joined by Aaron Zimmerman and Matt Magill to talk text etiquette, grown-up dreams, and ladders to the sky. Also, Matt sings (better than RJ). Articles discussed include:

• "Texting Means Never Having to Say Goodbye" by Jane Hu via Slate
• "Stop Asking Kids What They Want to Be When They Grow Up" by Adam Grant via The New York Times
• "The Ladder of Divine Ascent and Moral Improvement" by Stephen Freeman via Ancient Faith Ministries