Top gray wolf researcher Adrian Treves of the University of Wisconsin joins podcast host Mike McFeely to talk about an unusual, unexpected hunt in that state that devastated the wolf population.

Some 216 wolves were killed by a variety of means -- both ethical and unethical -- and perhaps another 100 were poached after a court ruled the state could hold a wolf hunt once the predator was removed from federal endangered species list by the Trump administration.

What does it mean for the wolf population in Wisconsin, and what can be done to keep this from happening again?