<p>I had the privilege to be interviewed on the SDPB show "In the Moment" with Lori Walsh. In a free wheeling conversation, we discussed the new prison controversy, the Braver Angels style debate which we're leading, and the new Saint John's Bible on our campus (topic of a previous episode with John Ross).</p>

MPF 8: Kittle and Education as a Public Good

**A More Perfect Fellowship** is a podcast that explores the crossroads of faith, patriotism, democracy and difficult conversations. In an era when churches have too often become polarizing forces of extremism, this podcast challenges and resources church leaders to serve communities for civic renewal. Host Joel Allen examines how worshiping communities can overcome incivility and build social capital that underlies democratic norms.

The McGovern Center, housed at Dakota Wesleyan University, works to extend the legacy of George and Eleanor McGovern, its most prominent alumni.