In this episode of the L’s Podcast, The Digilogue’s, Drew De Leon,(https://www.instagram.com/drewcurator), Kyle Bailey (https://www.instagram.com/yktvkb), and Brandon Nales (https://www.instagram.com/BrandonNales) sit with the founder of Black With No Cream (https://instagram.com/blackwithnocream), Ben Hagarty (https://www.instagram.com/benrealvsworld), to discuss staying motivated once moving to Los Angeles as a creative

learning to fight for his creativity after seeing his first debut as a director get shelved

finding the balance between paying your dues and knowing your value

and providing next-level education to creators through Black With No Cream