Everyone agrees that street homelessness is a problem to solve. But that’s where the agreement ends. Today, we explore the two camps that think they’ve found an answer — one that argues for more resources and the other that argues for more rule of law.THIS EPISODE FEATURES:Iain De Jong, Stephen Eide, Estela Lopez, Mark Horvath, Traci ParkLINKS:⁠Louis C.K. bit⁠⁠Iain De Jong's company⁠⁠Iain De Jong’s book, The Book on Ending Homelessness⁠⁠A few⁠ ⁠studies⁠ ⁠on Housing First⁠⁠The Daily Show segment on Housing First⁠⁠Stephen Eide’s critique of Housing First⁠⁠2019 progress report on Proposition HHH⁠⁠Audit on CA homelessness spending⁠⁠Oral argument in City of Grants Pass v. Johnson⁠⁠City of Grants Pass v. Johnson Supreme Court opinion⁠⁠Spencer Pratt’s X account⁠⁠Los Angeles mayoral primary debate, May 6, 2026⁠⁠Donald Trump 2023 video about the homeless⁠⁠Mark Horvath’s organization⁠⁠Invisible People YouTube channel⁠⁠Traci Park’s website⁠⁠Los Angeles City Council meeting, August 18, 2026 ⁠For this series we also read, and recommend, the following books: ⁠⁠Homelessness in America: The History and Tragedy of an Intractable Social Problem⁠⁠ by Stephen Eide, ⁠⁠Reckoning with Homelessness⁠⁠ by Kim Hopper, ⁠⁠The Hobo: The Sociology of the Homeless Man⁠⁠ by Nels Anderson, and ⁠⁠Down and Out, on the Road: The Homeless in American History⁠⁠ by Kenneth L. Kusmer.CREDITS:This story was reported by Emma Pettit and produced by Andy Mills, Ethan Mannello, Matthew Boll, and Simon Adler. It was mixed by Emma Munger.Music for this episod was composed by Cobey Bienert and Simon Adler.Artwork for this episode is by ⁠⁠Jacob Boll⁠⁠.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices