Gaius and Germanicus: The hosts debate whether empires end, comparing modern American dynamics with ancient Rome. Germanicus notes that as Rome expanded, its elites became highly globalized and disconnected from regular citizens, a pattern mirrored by modern Western globalists. When Rome collapsed in the West, the Eastern Empiretransformed cohesively into a Greek-Roman Byzantine state bound by shared religion and language. In contrast, American elites have degraded domestic coherence over thirty years. Germanicus hopes for a similar "renovatio" for America, though he remains skeptical, as Gaius closes discussing rising global sea temperatures. (3)