If you want diversity and inclusion in the workplace, you need to promote and hire differently.

It is really that simple.

I  have worked with clients in transforming their company cultures for nearly 30 years. Diversity and inclusion continues to be a stumbling  block for many. Why? The fact remains that people hire other people that look, think, and behave like them. It seems that no amount of training  or awareness sessions is going to change this reality. Rather, we must  decide to deliberately change whom we hire and promote.

Eugene Frazier is absolutely the "right guest" to explore the "Diversity and Inclusion" issue with me on this episode of The Indispensable Conversation. 

Besides being the Co-Founder of Courageous Leadership, a member of the MG-100 and on the Forbes Coaches Council. Eugene is a diversity and inclusion expert with nearly 30 years of experience in the space.  

Check-out this honest conversation about diversity and inclusion between two guys from two different races.