Protocol and ex-Toto drummer, Simon Phillips joins Ollie to talk about his career. Simon has drummed for Jeff Beck, The Who, Judas Priest, Nik Kershaw, Joe Satriani and many more. He talks about his time in Toto, the history of heavy metal, his biggest Spinal Tap moment, trialling for AC/DC and whether or not the opportunity is now easier for people to become musicians than it was in a time before the internet.