In December 2014 The Hard Times was launched, earlier that year the site's cofounders Matt and Bill talked for the very first time on Bill's podcast Edgeland. Today we are bringing you a special episode where we revisit that fateful meeting. If you like Edgeland you can still find it on Apple Podcasts, but not Spotify because it didn't exist when Edgeland was around. So fuck Spotify. Enjoy.