Shadi Hamid is a columnist at The Washington Post and a senior fellow at Georgetown University’s Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding, where he co-directs the Faith and Future of Democracy Initiative. He is the co-author, with Matthew Kaemingk, of Can Religion Save Democracy?: How More Faith—Not Less—Can Heal Our Public Life.Matthew Kaemingk is Professor of Public Theology at Theological University Utrecht and a senior fellow at Georgetown University where he co-directs the Faith and Future of Democracy Initiative.In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk, Matthew Kaemingk, and Shadi Hamid discuss why the decline of religion has turned American politics into a kind of holy war, whether the Democratic Party can make room for voters with traditional religious convictions, and how secular European societies should accommodate their conservative Muslim minorities.Note: This episode was recorded on September 29, 2026.If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone.Email: [email protected]Podcast production by Mickey Freeland and Leonora Barclay.Connect with us!Spotify | AppleX: @Yascha_Mounk & @JoinPersuasionYouTube: Yascha Mounk, PersuasionLinkedIn: Persuasion CommunityLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices