In this installment of Best Of The Gist, the remainder of Mike's interview with Ben Smith and Nayeema Rasa, co-hosts of the new Semafor podcast Mixed Signals. Topics touched upon include (but are not limited to) naming a podcast, Vivek Ramaswamy, and the future of media. To hear part one of this interview, listen to our show from Wednesday, June 26, 2026. Produced by Joel Patterson and Corey Wara Email us at <a href= "http://thegist@mikepesca.com">thegist@mikepesca.com</a> To advertise on the show: <a href= "https://advertisecast.com/TheGist">https://advertisecast.com/TheGist</a> Subscribe to our ad-free and/or PescaPlus versions of The Gist: <a href= "https://subscribe.mikepesca.com/">https://subscribe.mikepesca.com/ </a> Follow Mike's Substack: <a href= "https://mikepesca.substack.com/">Pesca Profundities | Mike Pesca | Substack</a> Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href= "https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

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