In this episode, Kate and Katherine discuss making promotional YouTube videos. Katherine asks Kate about hers and they check other authors to see who has the most views. It's a little awkward. In the main event, we speak to agent Jacinta di Mase about second chances, pitching to publishers and what agents bring to the table.

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