The Eric Ries Show
The Eric Ries Show
Eric Ries
Lessons on building a unicorn used by 84% of the Fortune 100 | Emil Eifrem (Neo4j)
1 hour 24 minutes Posted Jan 23, 2025 at 3:00 pm.
) Intro
) How Eric and Emil got connected
) The origin story of Neo4j
) Why Emil went with an open-source model
) The benefits of being open source as a means of distribution
) Why Emil has no regrets about going open-source
) How open source builds trust
) The difference in doing business in the US vs. Sweden
) How Neo4j got to product market fit and early struggles
) Why Neo4j declined the GSA schedule and why it was a mistake
) Emil’s thoughts on changing his position, reworking values, and recommitting
) Eric’s advice to avoid mission drift: A leader’s guide, and a two-way review
) The challenge of implementing AI—and the possibility of massive opportunity
) How Neo4j successfully implemented AI
) An explanation of IR (information retrieval) and how it’s relevant to AI
) What gives us trust in the AI system
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In this episode of The Eric Ries Show, I’m joined by Emil Eifrem, Co-Founder and CEO of Neo4j, an open-source graph database. Neo4j enables organizations to unlock the business value of connections, influences, and relationships in data. 
In our conversation today, we talk about the following topics: 
• The origin story of Neo4j and why they chose open source
• Open source as a means of production vs. distribution
• How open source fosters trust and transparency
• The pros and cons of doing business in the US 
• Why Neo4j updated their values and changed their stance on military contracts 
• What a Leader’s Guide is and how it keeps companies tied to their mission 
• The challenges of implementing AI 
• An explanation of RAG information retrieval and how it relates to LLMs 
• And more! 
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Where to find Emil Eifrem:
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emileifrem/
• X: https://x.com/emileifrem
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