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E1177: Ross Hudgens of Siege Media breaks down the page type driving the most AI search traffic across his clients: versus pages. Ross says Siege Media's correlation analysis found that clients with the most AI traffic also had the most comparison and versus content. We get into why these pages perform so well across ChatGPT, Gemini, Google, and traditional search, how to structure them, and why most companies still execute them poorly. We also go deep on branded subreddits, Reddit SEO, AI search measurement, link building, digital PR, keyword research, content refreshes, publisher traffic declines, and how SEO strategy is changing as more searches end without a click. In this episode: - Why versus pages are driving so much AI search traffic - Why comparison pages belong on landing pages instead of blogs - Where to put comparison tables - How to write versus pages without turning them into templated SEO garbage - How to choose which competitors deserve comparison pages - Why three-way comparisons sometimes work - How versus pages support sales teams beyond SEO - Why companies struggle to publish honest competitor comparisons - Using YouTube influencers when a brand refuses to publish comparison content itself - Why branded subreddits matter for SEO, reputation management, and LLM visibility - When a company has enough branded search demand to justify its own subreddit - How little traction a branded subreddit needs before it starts ranking - Why Reddit still matters even as its AI citation share changes - Repurposing existing website content onto Reddit - Using branded communities to rank for review and reputation queries - Why Siege Media does less manual link building than it did years ago - Where link-building budget is moving instead - Why fewer niche bloggers exist today - The growing role of LinkedIn, YouTube, influencers, and UGC in search - Why backlinks still matter even as the open web shrinks - How Siege Media approaches digital PR differently today - Using proprietary data across multiple existing ranking pages - Why recurring annual and quarterly data studies compound over time - How publishers need to rethink monetization as AI takes top-of-funnel clicks - Why publishers still hold valuable influence inside LLM answers - The problem with treating Perplexity like it has the same importance as ChatGPT - How Ross measures AI search and GEO performance - Why "How did you hear about us?" remains one of the strongest attribution questions - The AI search tracking tools Siege Media uses - How third-party citations influence LLM visibility - Why generic "best overall" positioning often fails - How LLMs categorize brands into specific use cases - Siege Media's KOB keyword research framework - How Ross now adds LLM visibility into keyword prioritization - How to decide whether a keyword deserves a new page - Why top-of-funnel informational SEO keeps getting harder - The types of informational content that still defend their clicks from AI Ross has spent more than 14 years building Siege Media and working across SEO, content marketing, link building, digital PR, and now AI search. This conversation gets into what Siege Media is doing more of in 2026, what it has reduced, and where Ross thinks search is moving next. ⭐️ Ross Hudgens on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/rosshudgens/ ⭐️ Ross Hudgens on 𝕏 - https://x.com/RossHudgens ⭐️ Ross Hudgens' book, Generative Engine Optimization: The Definitive Guide to AI SEO - https://www.amazon.com/Generative-Engine-Optimizations-Ross-Hudgens/dp/1394439806 ⭐️ Siege Media Book page - https://www.siegemedia.com/geo-book 💎 Compact Keywords - My SEO Course - Get paying customers through SEO - Clear step-by-step video breakdowns - SEO templates to be copied and adapted for your products and services: https://compactkeywords.com/ 00:00 Meet Ross Hudgens 00:30 Siege Media Origin Story 00:56 Versus Pages Win AI 07:07 Comparison Page Blueprint 09:54 Avoid Templated Comparisons 13:33 Branded Subreddit SEO 15:48 Republishing Content on Reddit 25:05 Less Manual Link Building 26:48 LinkedIn and Social Signals 33:58 Digital PR Data Strategy 40:27 Publisher Survival in AI Era 44:33 Measure GEO and AI Traffic 46:54 AI Long Tail Traffic 48:03 Tools For Measuring 48:27 Citation Share Strategy 50:16 New Client Audit 51:02 Common SEO Mistakes 53:23 Versus Pages Limits 54:05 KOB Keyword Framework 55:46 LLM Visibility Signals 57:52 New Page Or Update 01:00:54 Rank Position Eight To One 01:02:10 AI Content UX Fails 01:05:24 When To Refresh Content 01:09:00 Reddit And Offsite SEO 01:14:49 Site Structure Mapping 01:17:01 CRO Is GEO 01:18:36 Prompt Tracking Mistakes 01:20:05 Influencing LLM Answers 01:21:35 AI Slop Sites Fade 01:24:38 Hallucination Story 01:29:17 Using AI As Partner 01:30:23 Schema And LLMs Txt 01:33:32 Quick Wins And Wrap Up The Edward Show. 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