What if the biggest obstacle to disciple multiplication is your scorecard?In this episode, Brian Phipps and Jason Phelps unpack why what churches measure often shapes what they build. Attendance, budgets, and activity are not bad, but when they become the dominant scorecard, they can quietly reinforce addition instead of multiplication.This conversation helps church leaders examine what their systems are rewarding and introduces a better way to measure transformation: Character × Calling = Impact.