Dave and Chris Ying catch up with Lisa Donovan, author of the riveting new memoir ‘Our Lady of Perpetual Hunger,’ about what it's like to lay one's entire life out for people to see. The guys marvel at Lisa's strength and her expertise at deploying swear words, while discussing the future of the restaurant business and debating whether or not world-class pastry chefs ever buy pies from a store. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Dads, Vol. 5 With Ravi Patel (Part 1)

Dave Chang has a few questions. Besides being the chef of the Momofuku restaurants and the creator and host of Netflix’s 'Ugly Delicious,' Dave is an avid student and fan of sports, music, art, film, and, of course, food. In ranging conversations that cover everything from the creative process to his guest’s guiltiest pleasures, Dave and a rotating cast of smart, thought-provoking guests talk about their inspirations, failures, successes, fame, and identities.