What happens to chocolate when it no longer begins with the cacao bean? Ahrum Pak, founder of Win-Win, acompany to bring cocoa-free chocolate to market using fermented ingredients like barley and carob, and Luciano Bueno, founder and CEO of GALY, a Boston-based biotech growing cotton and cacao directly from plant cells, join our hosts to discuss the promise and growing pains of a nascent alternatives industry— Would the industry endorse this work? Would the consumer celebrate, fear, or overlook these solutions? Hear their side of the story here.

Learn more about Win Win: https://www.eatwinwin.com/

Learn more about GALY.CO: https://galy.co/