On this episode Patrick and Amanda interview Heidi White. An educator, a therapist, and a writer, Heidi recently released her first book, The Divided Soul! In this conversation we talk about the way duty and desire represent the internal conflict all people experience, the way stories embody this dichotomy, and the ways we pursue harmonizing duty and desire as a family. Join the conversation by being apart of the TCT Toolshed, a private social network for parents desiring to cultivate educational atmospheres rich in poetic experience: https://the-toolshed.circle.so/Web: https://www.thechildrenstradition.com/Substack: https://childrenstradition.substack.com/