Sarah and Courtney talk with Eric Hawkins, a manager and consultant with a background in transportation, logistics, and nonprofit work. Eric shared what makes a good nonprofit leader, the importance of storytelling, and how nonprofit donors and grantors affect employee wellbeing.The Burnout Room, sponsored by the Kentucky Psychological Foundation (KPF), is a podcast about burnout, effective leadership, and wellbeing in nonprofits. Show Notes:“Joy and Sorrow”, a poem by Kahlil Gibran https://poets.org/poem/joy-and-sorrow The Huberman Lab podcast: Dr. Alia Crum: Science of Mindsets for Health & Performance https://www.hubermanlab.com/episode/dr-alia-crum-science-of-mindsets-for-health-performance