What does it really take to root out corruption in South Africa?Stand-in host Xavier Bapoo speaks to former South African Police Service(SAPS) Anti-Corruption Unit head Stefan Grobler and specialistinvestigator Mike Bolhuis about the deep-seated culture of corruptionexposed by the Madlanga Commission. This conversation lays bare theforces eroding accountability, looking at political interference, thedismantling of anti-corruption structures to the risks faced byinvestigators on the front lines, exploring what it will take to rebuildintegrity and justice in South Africa’s institutions, and more.