In this episode, Tayler is joined by Dr. Jen Fry, a Sports Geographer, tech founder, TEDx speaker, and the founder/owner of JenFryTalks and Coordle. Most recently, Dr. Fry authored the book, I Said No: How to Have Boundaries and a Backbone Without Being a Jerk. Tayler and Dr. Fry take a deep dive into why she wrote the book, how she came up with the title, and why boundaries are so hard to set. The two also discuss Dr. Fry’s work in conflict and why it’s so important right now.