Scott and Dormain begin their conversation about containers with a deep dive into Dormain’s idea that building a successful developer engagement (from the IT Ops or organizational standpoint) is more than just Kubernetes and proceed to then outline how Kubernetes is like Lucky Charms and people, process, and technology are also needed for a “complete breakfast.” From there, they hit upon topics like creating developer-centric platforms, getting IT teams to think about speed in addition to availability, resilience, and security, and making targeted and meaningful changes.