If you've been feeling a sense of dread, depression or hopelessness in the wake of the news that we have roughly 12 years to curb climate change requiring a historically unprecedented systemic change in our global economy, then this week's episode is for you. As a sense of nihilism creeps in, Andy turns to Paul looking for some sense of hope and plan of action to move forward. They also discuss the recent Waitrose anti-vegan debacle.

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