Arty and Ron discuss some NYHC history with Howie Abrams, manager of In-effect records turned author of "The Book of Metal Lists" and the upcoming "Finding Joseph I: An Oral History of HR from Bad Brains". Ron is in the holiday spirit and feels the need to discuss AIDS and Arty contemplates one of his "stories" that he thinks might have happened but probably did, but might not have...entertaining nonetheless. This is a great episode that could have gone on for many hours but as usual a band showed up to Vitus to play.