It’s a tension that has existed in activists and political circles since there’s been activism and politics: how to know the difference between healthy reform and cynical, watered-down reform. Or worse: so-called “reform” that is actually a step backwards. Our guests today, journalists Raven Rakia and Ashoka Jegroo, examine this debate among those working to close Rikers prison in New York and discuss the broader trend of establishment centers of power co-opting grassroots reform efforts.