<p>Why were no Black people freeing El Cap in the '60s? Well, they were still thinking about a different kind of freedom.</p>
<p>We sit down with James Mower to discuss how racism isn't just a burning cross, and how systemic racism has affected climbing's development in America.</p>

S1E4: Tales from the Crag

The American Climbing Project is a podcast mixtape focused on all your social climbing needs, and then some. It addresses various topics in climbing, with an intentional deviation from performance and training. The focuses will change, but will always center on vulnerability, candid conversation, and a desire to reflect the voice of everyday climbers.