Jamie and Karli are joined by the lovely author of "13 Steps to Evil: How to Craft Super Bad Villains" and host of "The Rebel Author Podcast", Sacha Black, to talk about great villains and why they are so vital to great stories.

Ep.9 Work Flow and Goals

With mildly awkward social interactions, Jamie and Karli bring their combined creative energy together in a podcast all about stories. They're discussing everything from books, movies, television, writing, story tropes, plot, genres, and more. Come hang out with them and periodic guests as they discuss their favorite topics and endeavor to expand their human interactions, grow creatively, and give listeners a lighthearted break.