Used clothes from the West are ubiquitous across the African continent. But now, leaders in several East African countries are trying to phase out imports of foreign hand-me-downs, arguing that they stifle local textile industries. Host Afshin Molavi talks with Simon Allison (@simonallison), Africa editor of the Mail and Guardian, about how the used clothing debate throws issues around trade, aid, and globalization into sharp relief. Plus, a look at fashion and social change in Rwanda with Kigali-based designer Matthew Rugamba (@Mr_rugamba).