This week on Termagant Talk, Goodie and Shantel recap Joe and Donell Jones’ Verzuz—from Donell’s vocal struggles and Joe’s victory to an unforgettable Cancun performance that followed a literal bullfight. They also celebrate Lil’ Kim bringing Hard Core to Brooklyn with a live orchestra and begin planning their formal night with the Queen Bee.

Then the conversation turns to Joey Bada$$ and Serayah’s very public breakup: cheating allegations, one-sided “polyamory,” why women protect men’s reputations at their own expense, and whether quality penis can distract us from deeply questionable character. The ladies also examine Raekwon’s Palantir visit, celebrity proximity to power, Five Percenter ideology, spiritual evolution, and why Black capitalism will not save a community without accountability. Plus: would they attend the Rock the Bells festival—or spend five days trapped on a hip-hop cruise?

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