In this episode we talk to the phenomenal Phil Race about his Ripples on a Pond model of how people really learn. Phil helps us to unpick some of the key aspects of the Ripples on a Pond model, including the importance of understanding learner motivation, the criticality of learning by doing, and the position of assessment and feedback as central features of the learning process. As one of the most important learning and teaching voices in UK Higher Education, Phil's insights into such central aspects of learning and teaching are a must for anyone interested in enhancing their teaching practice. It was a great pleasure and privilege to talk learning and teaching with Phil. This is one to enjoy!