Sailing solo this week while Frank Spring is away, Elie Jacobs is joined by Maggie Moore to talk about everything from playwriting to the campaign to The Magicians.

Frank (he's back!) & Elie discuss huns, khans, czars, pizza and healthcare

Taking Ship is a voyage through dumbest timeline America. It's the kind of podcast that believes you can take politics and culture seriously while laughing at both. It's hosted by Elie Jacobs, Maggie Moore and Frank Spring, three political hacks who've run out of f***s to give. Each episode, they'll take a look at the political landscape, condone and condemn those who deserve it and often be joined by a guest who is smarter and cooler than they are.

Taking Ship: your guide through #DumbestTimelineAmerica