This episode is a look at what it's like for patients, and the health practitioners who are working with them, in this strange, changing pandemic context. As the COVID-19 pandemic was first reaching Australia, Kath was diagnosed with brain cancer. She shares how not being able to be visited by her friends, and only select family members, is amplified during already difficult period of her life when she most needs support and connection. Host Susan Biggar asks three health practitioners, Ash Scoular, Professor Harvey Newnham and Dr Carmel Crock, for their views and stories on what it's like caring for patients, their families and themselves during this difficult time. We hear about the multitude of challenges, but also the innovations and improvements that could shape the future of health care beyond the pandemic.