I first met journo in 2018 when she joined the Collective Intelligence ecosystem as part of the marketing team. She helped us immensely with our brand storytelling and her wide-ranging skills have taken her down many career paths, the latest co-founding with friend Claire Chitham. We recorded this interview in the Auckland garage where these two wrote their new book “”. It’s a great story about overcoming the adversity that comes from poor health, and what these two women have learnt about it on their respective journeys back to ‘feeling good’. This podcast brought to your ears with the support of .