This interview with Liana Poutu was recorded not long after COVID-lockdown to get her take on Taranaki . Her story was nothing like what was portrayed with respect to ‘’ in many media outlets, illustrating the benefit of getting such information first-hand.  Liana represents the here-and-now of where Te Ao Māori is at in Aotearoa. I always love talking with her and this chat was no exception. This podcast brought to your ears with the support of .