Joanna Robinson and Richard Lawson of Vanity Fair are Still Watching: Mrs. America, the FX on Hulu miniseries about the debate over the Equal Rights Amendment in the 1970s.

This week, Joanna and Richard cover the fifth episodes of the series: “Phyllis & Fred & Brenda & Marc”

This podcast includes a special guest interview with John Slattery, who talks about portraying Fred Schlafly, Phyllis’ husband.