Poker is an extremely high stakes game that requires a carefully cultivated strategy — kind of like trading.

In today’s episode, co-hosts Stephen Johnson and Kim Ann Curtin talk with Ray D., a professional poker player who recently added trading to his repertoire and acts as the co-host of the podcast Confessions of a Market Maker.

Listen in to learn how playing poker was the ultimate training for Ray’s trading, what strategies he follows now, and what challenges he’s faced so far.