A special one for rest day — Alex and Matthew Keenan sit down with Caleb Ewan for a wide-ranging chat covering team identity in the pro peloton, the reality of stepping into the commentary box, and Keno's incredible 20th Tour de France milestone.

In this episode:

• Why national-identity teams (Uno-X, old GreenEDGE, Team Sky) create a bond trade teams never quite replicate
• Caleb's insider take on the Jasper Philipsen situation — confidence, tactics, and why "perfect lead-out" doesn't always mean perfect execution
• The Decathlon balancing act between Paul Seixas' GC ambitions and Olav Kooij's sprint chances
• Isaac del Toro's superstar potential vs. Paul Seixas' quieter talent — what actually creates a fanbase
• Keno's incredible 20-Tour journey — from solo commentary in London to today
• The art of commentary: light and shade, knowing when not to talk, and the greatest calls in Australian sports history
• Caleb's first steps in the booth alongside Phil Liggett, and the nerves that come with it
• A hard look at how teams handle PR — Jayco's Plapp saga vs. Zak Dempster's benchmark press conference
• The unofficial Tour de France win count debate — five, seven, or eight?