On this episode we have on board Joe-Francis from "The slow down" podcast on YouTube. We discuss the highs and lows of being first borns and how we have overcome the challenges and even embraced them.  Exploring the intricacies and complexities of being "deputy parents", we realise life is what you make it and we're gonna make the most of our first born position! 

Music: Mayonde - Kamares (Samba Remix - Almost)