For this episode Holly Dunn interviews Mark Campbell, Head of Design at HarperCollins Australia and New Zealand, and President of the Australian Book Designers Association (ABDA, https://abda.com.au.) They have an in-depth conversation on the working relationship between art director and designer. They also review results from a survey conducted by the ABDA in 2018. The survey’s focus was of the work experience among the ABDA book-design community, covering things such as contracts and revisions. You can review the survey here: https://abda.com.au/2019/02/18/everyone-page-abda-survey-results/For more interviews with publishing industry creatives, visit www.spinemagazine.co.Music: Sweet Berry Wine, Blue Wednesday.