<p>In this &nbsp;episode of SPIN podcast, Mike Bourne, reader at Queen's University Belfast talks with Elspeth van Veeren about sensing secrecy.</p>

In conversation: Kirtis Clarke, Alice Nutley and Elspeth Van Veeren on designing a protest mask

This podcast series is brought to you by the members of SPIN, the Secrecy, power and ignorance research network (www.secrecyresearch.com). As a network, we study issues and ideas related to the challenges and opportunities of secrecy and ignorance in society. Included in this series are talks that summarise our newly published work or works in progress, and feature conversations between members and with visiting researchers, artists and practitioners. New episodes uploaded regularly. We hope you enjoy the series!