Meeting (minus a certain Patrick Brown) for their first, unofficial debate of the Conservative Leadership Race, CPC hopefuls accused one another of either not loving the Freedom Convoy enough or believing mainstream media too much. The one guy trying to pull the race towards some semblance of sanity? Yeah, he also worked with Huawei (and PP won't dare let you forget it!).

Is there any way back to normalcy for these Tories, or is this the final piece of evidence that the rightwing movement has lost its way? And now that reproductive rights are threatened more than ever in our lifetimes, can we really afford a Conservative party falling off the deep end? Your two favourite pundit/podcasters discuss.