Here's the thing that makes a 96-minute podcast episode even crazier: it started with one of us saying he might need to keep his comments tight because he unexpectedly had to be somewhere. Instead of leaving early, the conversation went nearly two hours, and we overcome technical difficulties to record roughly 95 minutes.

Armon Lee, New York Knicks fan and creator of the excellent Quarter-Lee Report podcast, joined us to talk hoop. We expected to talk about the Washington Wizards youngsters, one of Kevin's crackpot theories about how bias and the evolution of basketball help lead teams and fans to misevaluate players, and Armon's perspective on Wizards big man Kristaps Porzingis. Porzingis, of course, started his career with the Knicks.

In addition to crackpot theories, they kicked around some research Kevin did attempting to assess the relative quality of each team's young talent.

Along the way, we talked about how to build winning teams, whether NBA teams need to have a goal of winning a championship and much...much...more.

This was a terrific conversation with the three of us disagreeing on an array of topics, and then going deeper to understand what the other person was saying, and then continue to disagree.