Rabbi Neil Amswych of Temple Beth Shalom in Santa Fe, NM, interviews Rev. Michael-Ray Mathews. Rev. Mathews is the Deputy Director of Faith in Action, the host of Prophetic Resistance Podcast, president of the Alliance of Baptists, and co-founder of the Sympara. Together, they discuss Rev. Mathews' work, his story, race in US, our own narratives and how to challenge them.