Interview 98 with Jeff Wagner of the band The Tunnel.

https://thetunnelsf.bandcamp.com/album/shudder-lp

Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/artist/0UylyVW7ybcagqTuNewZP7?si=7JcDhX3gTbmfW2lP30zcsA

Emperor Cabinets can be found at emperorcabinets.com

Music in the intro ad by Adrian Vino

Music placed in the podcast intro:
Frodus: "There Will Be No More Scum" off the record "And We Washed Our Weapons In The Sea"