Kat Mayo and Rudi Bremer are the team behind the BookThingo podcast, an Australian podcast about romance fiction. As you might imagine, I’m a fan - and I’ve known Rudi and Kat for a long time. Our conversation meanders all over the place, and we discuss: Podcasting, the process, and learning how to get the show done What podcasting and the podcasting community is like in Australia Kat’s recent trip to Manila and her episodes with the #RomanceClass authors Reading books that reflect the experience of living between two cultures Representing and discussing nuance in Indigenous Australian writing - and the overwhelming Whiteness of Rural Australian romance We also take a deep dive into kinship rules in different cultures and communities, and how the concept could provide conflict and setting for an entire raft of romance novels. And of course, we have recommendations. Special note!! Stay tuned after the show for a special audiobook sample of The Friend Zone by Abby Jimenez, brought to you by our sponsor, Hachette Audio! Thanks, y'all!