In this bonus episode, poet and writer William Evans joins Hanif to discuss quitting your day job, being a parent, nerd fandom, DC vs. Marvel movies, and why black voices are needed in cultural criticism. Their conversation was recorded in 2019.

Small Joys is a series of conversations between best-selling writer and Columbus-native Hanif Abdurraqib and creative people of all stripes about what keeps them going.In each episode, Hanif talks with artists and writers about what fuels the creative process and discusses the little pleasures that help sustain us in our daily lives.