Artist Cameron Granger talks with Hanif about learning to cook, group chats with friends, Toni Morrison quotes, getting therapy, and expressing yourself with memes.

Nick White

Small Joys is a series of conversations between best-selling writer and Columbus-native Hanif Abdurraqib and creative people of all stripes about what keeps them going.In each episode, Hanif talks with artists and writers about what fuels the creative process and discusses the little pleasures that help sustain us in our daily lives.